Post by @stefano@bsd.cafe

@stefano 💪

@stefano@bsd.cafe Hopefully #FreeBSD ? 😉

@chrism yes!

@stefano@bsd.cafe @chrism@social.nfbsd.dev 👍😀

@stefano Docker? :D

@Nux ....no :-)

@stefano I have little hope that they choose the simplest solution.

Fortunately, "docker" is not a buzzword these days. Otherwise I'd have zero hope.

@release_candidate they did. @BastilleBSD is out friend.

@stefano @BastilleBSD that's great news!

@stefano from the exploration it’s clear it’s jails, however a linux container solution is portable and reproducible locally. Not sure if this counts for jails.

@resmo it does, but in a different way. More, they have an identical stack for testing on another server.
There’s (generally) no need to have the very exact stack for development and production.

@stefano tbh, docker and jails are very different, linux containers lxc would look more similar. It’s been a while since I’ve used jails though

@resmo sure. They still are. Anyway, you can replicate via podman on FreeBSD (there’s a lot of work on OCI containers).
I like docker, don’t get me wrong. But sometimes it’s perceived as a shortcut for faster deployment, which is ok but if it’s done in the right way.

@stefano I don’t like docker much tbh, it was good for its time 🤓 but podman is the way to go on Linux, jails are very nice I would not complain

@resmo I prefer podman, too

@stefano @resmo what do you guys think of multikernel? seems like container++ https://multikernel.io/faq.html

@Nux @resmo I’ve never tried it. I will, thank you for the link!

@stefano omg wasn't the advantage of PHP that you CAN build sth without a stack? :-/

@fgraf yes, exactly. But people are used to node, etc so they somehow “build” stuff. Then they understand they can do without building and are much happier

@stefano Do the developers know they'll be using previous details?

@peteorrall previous details?

@stefano Hahahaha! Voice to text failed spectacularly there. It was "FreeBSD Jails" not "previous details."

@peteorrall ahah not it’s clearer!
Yes, they do. I always explain them in detail and let them decide. And 9 times out of 10, they decide that jails are a better choice.
I’ve just received an email from a dev and I’ll post it later.

@stefano For what it's worth, it's not too hard to achieve very jail-like results with LXC. You can even map each jail to it's own unique unprivileged UID range. It's what I'm doing instead of VMs these last few years.

@mason yes, true. I had been using lxc containers when docker wasn’t even available, as I tried to replicate the jails on Linux (as much as possible) almost 15 years ago

@stefano both